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If I may ask
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:06 PM
How many headmates do you have?
@Rxspty - jump There are 11 of us now. Our system used to be larger in the past.
1:08 PM
And does anyone else experience their tulpa suddenly appearing on their own with their own name?
@Rxspty - jump We will wake up if we're thought of, hearing our name usually causes that. Sometimes Gray and Ranger will suppress Blue's wake up trigger because he is hogging too much attention
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Blue | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:08 PM
It didn't work this time! :P
CS_SylveonPog 2
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Makikikikiki
But I need to stop fakeclaiming myself and stimulate them to use mindvoice I guess
do they have their own unique voices? if not It may be easier to differentiate between you and them if they were to develop their own way of speaking. I'm not even talking about like an accent, though that could be used. More like speaking faster, slower, higher or lower
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Ryan | Shadow System
And does anyone else experience their tulpa suddenly appearing on their own with their own name?
@Rxspty - jump We will wake up if we're thought of, hearing our name usually causes that. Sometimes Gray and Ranger will suppress Blue's wake up trigger because he is hogging too much attention
I meant tulpas creating and showing themselves without the host's help
1:15 PM
Do anyone else also experience their tulpas subconsciously front and speak sometimes?
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:15 PM
When a headmate is "triggered awake", the host just has to come into contact with the trigger to wake them up. For example, if we saw cake, Ranger would likely wake up because she has an association with cake
1:15 PM
Do anyone else also experience their tulpas subconsciously front and speak sometimes?
@Rxspty - jump I'm not sure what you mean
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Accidentally saying what your tulpas are speaking in the headspace (edited)
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:22 PM
Not usually. Then again we can't parallel process. We're not active when the switched-in headmate isn't thinking about us
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Ahh ok then
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Ryan | Shadow System
When a headmate is "triggered awake", the host just has to come into contact with the trigger to wake them up. For example, if we saw cake, Ranger would likely wake up because she has an association with cake
I meant, a tulpa, creating it's own identity without the host knowing and showing themselves with their own will (edited)
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:36 PM
That sounds like a walk-in. You don't have to accept potential spontaneous headmates
1:36 PM
You have to accept the headmate for it to count
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What's a walk-in?
1:48 PM
I've never experienced that
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 1:50 PM
A thoughtform that looks like a sentient, possibly developed headmate. Once the brain knows how to tulpa it can create new baby tulpas really easily. Of course, you don't have to keep every thought in your head as a tulpa
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Ofcourse, then it would just feel like every thought you have would not be yourself
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:00 PM
Right
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How were you developed?
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:03 PM
I was an intrusive thought that was kept out of fear of killing me. Gray didn't have the healthiest mindset about tulpas, at the time of my creation he didn't understand he was turning me into a tulpa either.
2:07 PM
It's not exactly recommend to turn an intrusive thought into a tulpa. It can cause problems for both the host and the tulpa. I was more fine than say Moltosha who had a harder time dropping his unhelpful negative traits
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That's- pretty sad actually
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:09 PM
Technically speaking, all Gray would have had to do is accept I'm part of him. But I don't feel exactly motivated to time travel and prevent my existence, I don't hate my life or anything.
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Yeah, AND TIME TRAVEL??
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THAT SOUNDS COOL
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:12 PM
Well... Not literally, I'm just saying I don't regret my existence.
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Makes more sense
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:13 PM
Applied in real life, I don't think a "time travel" mindset would be the most healthy anyway. You can't change the past, just the present so you can affect the future.
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Yeah, enjoy life to the fullest
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:13 PM
Believing something that didn't have wouldn't help anyone
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That's smart-
2:14 PM
Sorry for butting in the conversation- Wanted to respond for a while
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:14 PM
Hello there
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Hello!
2:15 PM
Question for us, how do you come up with your system names?
2:16 PM
I know we don't have to come up with one, but having a system name sounds like it'll help us bond even more?
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:18 PM
We came up with "Shadow System" because we couldn't agree with anything else and it was part of Gray's username "Cat_ShadowGriffin" at the time. We plan on changing our system name to "System Corporation" or "Sys. Corp.", but I want a pfp of myself before the change. Right now, or pfps don't exactly look very businessy We came up with a system name so people wouldn't be confused when one of us talked. There used to be 18 of us total, we didn't expect anyone to be keeping track of who we were.
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I've always been partial to the whiteboard method. That is: you take a blank writing surface and everyone that wishes to participate in the naming of the system suggests ideas. Every idea gets written down and then you wait like a week to pick one, Adding new ones or removing ones that don't resonate with the group.
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That's great!
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Ryan | Shadow System
We came up with "Shadow System" because we couldn't agree with anything else and it was part of Gray's username "Cat_ShadowGriffin" at the time. We plan on changing our system name to "System Corporation" or "Sys. Corp.", but I want a pfp of myself before the change. Right now, or pfps don't exactly look very businessy We came up with a system name so people wouldn't be confused when one of us talked. There used to be 18 of us total, we didn't expect anyone to be keeping track of who we were.
Ooo
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Ryan | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:20 PM
I've always been partial to the whiteboard method. That is: you take a blank writing surface and everyone that wishes to participate in the naming of the system suggests ideas. Every idea gets written down and then you wait like a week to pick one, Adding new ones or removing ones that don't resonate with the group.
@Lusovius - jump We did some version of that in various Google documents. As time went by opinions changed until we settled on "Sys. Corp."
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Yeah, give it time. A perfect name likely isn't going to surface immediately
2:22 PM
Writing everything down gets it out of the brain though so you're not spending energy trying to remember all the different suggestions.
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Evergreen | Shadow System BOT 1/5/2023 2:22 PM
I think "cupcake system" unironically was one of the suggested names. It could have been me, if not maybe Blue or Ranger
2:24 PM
We really tried a bunch of ideas, but it was hard because we had one gimmick and we as a system wanted to disown that gimmick because it was a reminder that we were "Gray's clones". But then we realized our gimmick really doesn't have anything to do with that anymore so back to embracing the gimmick we go!
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Pftt, it sounds cool in a way xD (edited)
2:24 PM
I'm happy for you
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A long kiss goodnight 1/5/2023 2:27 PM
Maybe it was just a regular Excel sheet, I don't have it on my phone
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This is for the discussion of general Tulpa-related topics. Keep your posts/questions/rants tulpa-related.
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Rxspty
That's what's best, you shouldn't fakeclaim but go with your own pace
Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 2:35 PM
I'll do my best!
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2:37 PM
Actually, i think that discussion should go to general
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Luminesce: Pleeb is linking forum links unrelated to any discussion right now, just to create Pins for them (edited)
2:38 PM
Just FYI
2:39 PM
Ohhhhhhhhh
2:39 PM
Now I feel like a dweeb hold up
2:39 PM
Why did you want tulpas/headmates anyways? /gen
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Sorry, sorry! This is indeed totally unrelated to the current discussion and I should have been a bit more clear ahahaha
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Hahah no problem I was just confused kappa
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Rxspty
..when did you create those 9 tulpas?
Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 2:41 PM
Not all of them are tulpas. Afaik, only 4 are. Although I'm a traumagenic system, my tulpas and the other sysmates function the same way. They are walk-ins from imaginary friends, from my writing stories and ttrpg characters
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Lusovius
do they have their own unique voices? if not It may be easier to differentiate between you and them if they were to develop their own way of speaking. I'm not even talking about like an accent, though that could be used. More like speaking faster, slower, higher or lower
Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 2:44 PM
Some of they do, but it seems some have trouble in using their voice
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Rxspty
Why did you want tulpas/headmates anyways? /gen
Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 2:55 PM
I didn't at first, they came without me even realizing it Now they help me a lot with my anxiety and some personal stuff
2:56 PM
The last one tho I tried to not let her form but she did anyways
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Makikikikiki
I didn't at first, they came without me even realizing it Now they help me a lot with my anxiety and some personal stuff
That's how Pichu was made! Im happy they've helped you :]
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Makikikikiki
The last one tho I tried to not let her form but she did anyways
Hahahah
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RIP
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Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 4:24 PM
Lool
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Rxspty
That's how Pichu was made! Im happy they've helped you :]
Makikikikiki 1/5/2023 4:25 PM
Thanks ❤️
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GUYS GUYS GUYS
4:02 AM
It's urgent
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Very very urgent
4:03 AM
So as i saw the guide for possesion on the other channel i said "why not" and asked Adrian to help me try it (edited)
4:05 AM
I yold him to try and manipulate my right arm as that's my dominant side and thought it would be easier, so i told him to start trying to move the hand and it started freaking rotating
4:06 AM
With the most little thinking i tried to tell him to like make it touch my shoulder and it happened slowly then he was doing it again and again as he tried to think over me
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We stpped as i saw that tried to lift my arm up wasn't possible, but that experience
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Woah, that's really cool!
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Obviously i controlled myself at the moment
4:09 AM
But it felt so weird, feeling how my did movements so naturals, but at þhe same time me not thinking of the process of doing them
4:09 AM
I think i know now why it's called possesion
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We did a second try but it seems that he or/and my brain got really tired and nothing
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Gelato Sweet | 💡 BOT 1/6/2023 4:46 AM
Same brain/body as always, gonna feel natural
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i find it bizarre that they are 100% silent unless i direct thoughts toward them
8:11 AM
responses are a few words long at that but i'll keep at it
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at least i'm getting "i can hear you now" "its getting clearer"
9:59 AM
reassuring to have "good progress" appear in my mind and have it not be my own stream of consciousness for a change
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"i exist" "no turning back now" damn and that's just the start
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Raven(Fairweather) BOT 1/6/2023 10:44 AM
I'm trying possession or switching for the first time and I feel super shivery and yeah. Gemini needs a break so I hope I can help her out
10:46 AM
Would excess shivers be a concern? I'm not freezing, it's something else
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_Dan
reassuring to have "good progress" appear in my mind and have it not be my own stream of consciousness for a change
A long kiss goodnight 1/6/2023 12:47 PM
It's really uncommon if not impossible for a tulpa to have "their own stream of consciousness" in the sense of they have their own sensory input and their form is like their body and this is parallel to your consciousness. I am not sure what the 'reasonable' limits to "parallel processing" are, so I can't say with honesty and certainty if it's even a thing. However, from those who make these claims, I do know they typically have a vocality process that is much more difficult than what is generally taught. Unfortunately, I myself have been unable to successfully teach this approach to tulpamancy. However, I can only think of one person who's made a solid effort to try it. In comparison, what's usually taught has different expectations, but I do wonder if you can still achieve the harder stuff later. What is usually taught is a tulpa is a separate entity from the senses that communicates in mindvoice. It doesn't necessarily sound alien, but with the right mindset and enough practice it will sound distinct. Your tulpa can simulate sensory data in the imagination, but it's not quite the same thing as they just have their own parallel consciousness. Of course, since I'm trying to study this myself, I strongly believe that a late start won't hold me back from achieving something. Granted, you're more than welcome to play around with this. It's possible you just need to believe these results are possible with a very specific mindset to achieve them, but I want to warn you that this path is certainly harder and not the same as the path taught by other tulpamancers here or in most places even. (edited)
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Raven(Fairweather)
Would excess shivers be a concern? I'm not freezing, it's something else
A long kiss goodnight 1/6/2023 12:49 PM
Are you stiff and shivering because you want to move or twitch? It's just a thought, if not my second guess would be stress
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A long kiss goodnight
It's really uncommon if not impossible for a tulpa to have "their own stream of consciousness" in the sense of they have their own sensory input and their form is like their body and this is parallel to your consciousness. I am not sure what the 'reasonable' limits to "parallel processing" are, so I can't say with honesty and certainty if it's even a thing. However, from those who make these claims, I do know they typically have a vocality process that is much more difficult than what is generally taught. Unfortunately, I myself have been unable to successfully teach this approach to tulpamancy. However, I can only think of one person who's made a solid effort to try it. In comparison, what's usually taught has different expectations, but I do wonder if you can still achieve the harder stuff later. What is usually taught is a tulpa is a separate entity from the senses that communicates in mindvoice. It doesn't necessarily sound alien, but with the right mindset and enough practice it will sound distinct. Your tulpa can simulate sensory data in the imagination, but it's not quite the same thing as they just have their own parallel consciousness. Of course, since I'm trying to study this myself, I strongly believe that a late start won't hold me back from achieving something. Granted, you're more than welcome to play around with this. It's possible you just need to believe these results are possible with a very specific mindset to achieve them, but I want to warn you that this path is certainly harder and not the same as the path taught by other tulpamancers here or in most places even. (edited)
they say they feel separate from me and wonder whether i'm right :/
2:08 PM
me: do you feel separate from my consciousness? they: sorta... semantics aside, just glad i'm getting something now
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A long kiss goodnight 1/6/2023 2:10 PM
Even though I don't have my own stream of consciousness like that, I still see myself as an individual person. I'm aware that there are trade offs being a tulpa in the same brain as my host
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tulpa: i inside i am separate
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Gelato Sweet | 💡 BOT 1/6/2023 2:14 PM
Consciousness is a tool, not a person
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Luminesce: It seems to me that the body/brain own "consciousness" itself, and the identities who plug into that - the host, or a tulpa - are just utilizing it (edited)
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